33 Comments for Symbolism of the Christian Fish, Baptism and Water
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fish
by greg - 6/12/09 7:49 AM
The fish was a symbol of Oannes - the babylonian fish god who existed long before El. Of course the Universal church (up to around 300 CE, which later became the Catholic church) borrowed anything that was convenient for them from the Judaic lore, since after all, ALL that the church's fathers admired was sourced in Judaica. We must know that all Judaica admired was, after all, sourced in Babylon and Egypt. So here we have the mother/ "whore" of Babylon, mated with the Egyptian priesthood of bloodthirsty Amun that gave birth to the Synagogue, which Jesus, as a Hebrew priest (and as such, was REQUIRED by custom to be married) later rebelled against for its lack of love. This whole thing is our heritage - from the corruption, lies, and disempowering dogmas and practices, to the beauty and love of ALL beings, AND our own divinity.
Yap, yap, yap. Forget an outside source that will solve our problems, and realize brother Jeshua (Yeheshua) wanted us to realize our power when he said "Greater things than these shall you do".
Your Day is at hand, soon you will see what evil hides within you! For it is not power, that of your own. But in reference to that which is given to God's children to overcome and to do His work for His cause. That you will never understand, till you are out of the darkness and have come to the light where all your sin is exposed, but forgiven you! Then you will know and understand the gift bestowed upon you.
RE: fish
by MJClark - 12/25/11 11:09 PM
Dagon, Oannes, Vaivasvatu Manu, Nimrod, Noah....and Jesus were all so-called 'fish gods'. So was Jupiter-Zeus originally: half god, half fish. It clearly relates to Pisces. Pisces-Aries is where the Waters of Darkness meet the Fires of Light and the New Day (Aries is the new beginning). The Fish-God is the first and the last. There are seven men during a Day-Cycle: Aries-Libra (Spirit-Body); Taurus-Scorpio; Gemini-Sagittarius; Cancer-Capricorn; Leo-Aquarius; Virgo-Pisces (the Virgin Mary is found in Virgo; Pisces, of course, is the 'home' of the Fish-God). The first is Aries-Libra (Matter as) and the last is the mirror image of the first, Libra-Aries (that is, Antimatter). Aries-Libra, the first, is half-fish and half-man -- i.e., man coming out of the water. Libra-Aries, the last, is half-man and half-fish -- i.e., man going back into the water. This is how nun (the 14th Hebrew letter, the fish) connects to mem (the 13th Hebrew letter): Mem is WATER; also the Moon. Nun is also Noah, going back into... more...
Gone Fishing
by Cybernikes - 2/24/09 11:38 AM
A graven image clearly means to make something to represent God in order to worship that image instead of God.
This insults God because it says that we as puny little beings can somehow quantify the boundless and almighty Yahweh.
The fish symbol how ever is not a graven image as it does not seek to represent the likeness of God.
The symbol was used to denote a group of Christ's followers at a time when meeting to worship the risen King of Kings could get you tossed into the lion's den.
No one I have ever heard of bows down to the fish symbol and worships that symbol as if it were God, if for no other reason than that particular fish denotes a human group, and therefore wholly unworthy of worship.
Let's not get bogged down in legalism. Christ assures us that he who is ashamed of Him, so shall Christ be ashamed of him before the Father.
So I say tack on those fish, the new world apostasy is upon us and soon enough my brothers we will have our turn in the lion's den.
Seriously? Is that honestly your interpretation of what the Fish represents? Speaking to whomever was the Anonymous person that posted this question - 'Jesus is a fish?' - What a stupid question.
Christian Fish
by Armand - 3/10/11 5:38 PM
Hold a fish when you pray, give a fish away. The fish is a fine symbol of Christian community...a beautiful reminder of our Lord and his people.
While I may understand what the symbol of the fish means on the back of christians' cars,I still don't get why people are using it. In most cases,it is not just a sticker of the fish,per se,but images,GRAVEN IMAGES. Is it not wrong to make an image;whether it be a doll,a bull,a statue or a fish? And then to take that image that God prohibits and ascribe it to God I think is the ultimate insult. I really don't think that I am being too dogmatic. I have been enticed to put one of those fishes on the back of my car, but something deep inside says 'No,no,no!'-a saint.
I think you have a valid point about graven images but they are impossible to avoid now days. It becomes a serious concern when those images are worshiped. If someone wants to identify themselves as a Christian by sticking a piece of shiny plastic to the back of their car so be it. But if you personally question this practice then you should remove your own fish rather than risk a guilty conscience or worse, hypocrisy. Thanks for your input.
RE: Fish god
by Anonymous - 7/03/07 7:25 AM
If heaven is God`s throne and the earth His footstool, do we really need to be displaying a graven image of a fish on the back of our vehicles? Wouldn`t it be far better to let our "light" shine to show people that we believe in Christ? Besides, there is a Philistine deity in the form of a fish called "dagon". That in itself kind of gives me the creeps when I see one of those fish on the back of someones car.
RE: The Fish
by Joanna - 12/26/10 7:19 AM
I understand about your guilt concern, however if we understood about the symbol and why we are using it and the origin of why we come to use it then you would understand that theres no need to feel guilty...guilt would only come if in your heart you are really worshiping the image fish itself and not the real God. You can read about how we came to use this symbol at my other comment
question
by Anonymous - 4/14/05 5:54 AM
what's the purpose of the highlighted letters and words is it a code?
Highlighted words appear when you get here through a search engine. If words are higlighted then they are (or at least should be) the words that you searched for.
RE: question
by Joanna - 12/26/10 7:08 AM
symbols are used on early days of christianity for christians who are not able to read..there are still Christians all over the world who are not blessed being able to read and write but Christianity shld be accesible both to the learned and unlearned so symbols are use to reach both the educated and non educated Christians.
Ichthus is the Greek word for fish. The initials of the word Ichthus are also used as a Christian acronym of the following Greek words:
Using the Ichthus acronym IChThUS means "Jesus Christ, God's Son, Savior".
The Ichthus / Fish was chosen as an early secret Symbol indicating that the person who knew the meaning of the Ichthus was a Christian and safe to associate with. Being a Christian was extremely dangerous for hundreds of years following the life of Jesus due to the persecutions of the pagan Roman Emperors.
God bless
worshiping the images (fish?)
by Mike - 7/24/10 4:18 AM
Hey fundamentalists there!
Do you not WORSHIP money? Whose figure is marked on the dirty face of MONEY or a Coin? Do you carry them in your pockets or wallets? If not to keep or carry graven images, why you fools do that, and pointing fingers at catholics all the time?! Look first your own faces in the mirror and pass comments against the Universal Church of Christ! Were Lutherans,Baptists,El-sadais,Pentecostal,Jehovah Witnesses churches there during 1st century?If not who are you to boast like you are above the Universal Church (Catholic).You are the pieces broken out from the Catholic Faith only. So learn to honor your forefathers o.k.? If you do not know yourselves, how can you know others? Images kept by catholics are only the means to communicate the Truth that's all!We don't ever worship the images in place of God, Christ...Do you understand now?! Can you throw your money out in the river and live without that graven money with you? For Christ has said, give what Caesar owns to Caesar,and God's to... more...
The root of all Christianity is Catholicism. All points to Rome its a historical fact.
RE: worshiping the images (fish?)
by Anonymous - 8/20/10 11:27 AM
Roman Catholicism as we know it today was established during the 4th century largely by Constantine I. The word Catholic, literally meaning "universal", was used much earlier than that but not in the same sense that it's used today. As the original post said, Christ is the root of all Christianity.
RE: worshiping the images (fish?)
by Anonymous - 8/26/10 1:36 AM
It really doesn't matter Catholic and Christians are all of the same root. There the same package with a different name on the same package.
I gotta agree with you for the most part, nicely put.
by Forexneaxy - 7/25/09 12:38 PM
Interesting website, i have bookmarked your site for future referrence.
symbols were used as a form of communication, I dont see nothing wrong with it as long as you are not worshiping these symbols of putting them 1st before god check out this chapter>>Deuteronomy 4:15-18 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below.
"Therefore watch yourselves very carefully. Since you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth. And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the Lord your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.
We're family, not under the law, Our Father knows us and we know Him. We hold no idols, and all that we have is from Him and for His glory. In admonishment though for you..."Him that is weak in faith receive ye, but not to doubful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another mans servant? To his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up; for God is able to make him stand! (Read Romans 14)
RE: image, fish
by Dale - 11/08/08 8:56 AM
You are right in your assment of graven images. But look at the context. It is talking about making an image to depict God for worship which is a correption of God. I know of no christian who uses the fish symbol in this way i.e. worship! The symbol is used to depiect them as a follower of Christ Jesus. It is a symbol of who thay are. Not God!
graven images
by chemi - 10/03/08 7:17 AM
Make no graven images was a directive to teachers not to draw any diagrams in the Bible which they obviously obeyed.
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Early church used symbolic languages to communicate to each other and symbols were very important in speaking the secret things to other beleivers. the symbol of fish is not an image so do not misunderstand, those people who understand the symbolic language will identify with the signs and symbols. there could be other meaning to the symbol but the meaning that was established by the early church is the one we must understand. true that we shine our lights by character but also understand that we must come to understand the symbols and types that God's message is hidden in.
A symbol that reminds people of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit is only spreading the good news of Jesus being our savior and how we need to remember to pray and have faith. Symbols are a form of communication that are helpful when trying to spread the holy word. A fish that represent the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit is only communicating to people the good news. Im going to keep symbols that represent my faith but im not going to worship the sybols. I will only worship the trinity.
33 Comments for Symbolism of the Christian Fish, Baptism and Water
Comment on Symbolism of the Christian Fish, Baptism and Water
fish
by greg - 6/12/09 7:49 AM2 Replies: Post a Reply
RE: fish
by Your Friend! - 7/31/09 10:35 AMRE: fish
by MJClark - 12/25/11 11:09 PMGone Fishing
by Cybernikes - 2/24/09 11:38 AM1 Reply: Post a Reply
RE: Gone Fishing
by Anonymous - 9/03/11 4:13 PMFish
by Anonymous - 7/18/11 12:14 AMNo Replies Post a Reply
Jesus is a fish?
by Anonymous - 11/30/10 9:38 PM1 Reply: Post a Reply
RE: Jesus is a fish?
by Anonymous - 7/04/11 6:13 AMChristian Fish
by Armand - 3/10/11 5:38 PMNo Replies Post a Reply
The Fish
by Anonymous - 12/19/03 1:49 AM3 Replies: Post a Reply
RE: The Fish
by Anonymous - 12/30/03 9:47 AMRE: Fish god
by Anonymous - 7/03/07 7:25 AMRE: The Fish
by Joanna - 12/26/10 7:19 AMquestion
by Anonymous - 4/14/05 5:54 AM2 Replies: Post a Reply
RE: question
by Anonymous - 4/14/05 9:05 AMRE: question
by Joanna - 12/26/10 7:08 AMworshiping the images (fish?)
by Mike - 7/24/10 4:18 AM3 Replies: Post a Reply
RE: worshiping the images (fish?)
by Anonymous - 8/20/10 1:18 AMRE: worshiping the images (fish?)
by Anonymous - 8/20/10 11:27 AMRE: worshiping the images (fish?)
by Anonymous - 8/26/10 1:36 AMI gotta agree with you for the most part, nicely put.
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the fish
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image, fish
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RE: image, fish
by Anonymous - 5/15/05 2:35 AMRE: image, fish
by Dale - 11/08/08 8:56 AMgraven images
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Further Resources
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Fishing, Reminder and faith
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fishy tale
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spiritual life
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