I am so often *cross* about Christianity lately, Ghandi once said I love your Christ but I am not so ccnvinoed about your Christians' or something in that vein. I'm no Ghandi but I am a committed Christian, for better or worse, culturally and spiritually. In fact I discovered something personally recently- it's not even a choice I have. Having been raised this way, somewhat imperfectly, the values are ingrained.Selfishness, greed, cruelty anathema to Christians once we are exposed to the cross, symbol of Jesus' self-sacrifice and trying to change the world. None of us are the same after. We may try to proceed business-like but life is totally changed.And then we get to see people like you Bosco, who have been through the refiner's fire: knowing God chooses the best of people to demonstrate this. And yet wishing you so much less pain than you have had to bear.Isn't that what compassion is? I am sorry' for another's suffering?That's what the symbol of the crucifix means to me: it's a complete reminder of how... more...
They found the Ark of the Covenant; Christ tomb, Crucifixion site and the Ark of the Covenant found buried under a trash pile at the foot of Skull Mountain.
Last summer, I'd visited my ex wife, our (older) children and her new husband. One of those days I went outside and looked up and over their house I'd seen a smaller cloud form into a shape of a fish, then a narrow gap down the center and the narrow end cross over into a fish sign. By the time I ran to the porch and returned, it looked like a small cloud.
If I'd had my camera then,(and used it) would the fish cloud have been in the photo? I don't know. My ex wife's husband had asked me to go fishing with him.....maybe the sign was to use minnows? :P
A YT video would have been great, but, most would say it was faked. :(
There are many signs in the clouds. Each person interpits it to their own way.
fish
by greg - 6/12/09 7:49 AM
The fish was a symbol of Oannes - the babylonian fish god who existed long before El. Of course the Universal church (up to around 300 CE, which later became the Catholic church) borrowed anything that was convenient for them from the Judaic lore, since after all, ALL that the church's fathers admired was sourced in Judaica. We must know that all Judaica admired was, after all, sourced in Babylon and Egypt. So here we have the mother/ "whore" of Babylon, mated with the Egyptian priesthood of bloodthirsty Amun that gave birth to the Synagogue, which Jesus, as a Hebrew priest (and as such, was REQUIRED by custom to be married) later rebelled against for its lack of love. This whole thing is our heritage - from the corruption, lies, and disempowering dogmas and practices, to the beauty and love of ALL beings, AND our own divinity.
Yap, yap, yap. Forget an outside source that will solve our problems, and realize brother Jeshua (Yeheshua) wanted us to realize our power when he said "Greater things than these shall you do".
U have good teachings but I don't like ministers usesing other bibles in their sermion . If u claim to be a king james bible believer u know that the other bibles are corrupet why ues them .
A graven image clearly means to make something to represent God in order to worship that image instead of God.
This insults God because it says that we as puny little beings can somehow quantify the boundless and almighty Yahweh.
The fish symbol how ever is not a graven image as it does not seek to represent the likeness of God.
The symbol was used to denote a group of Christ's followers at a time when meeting to worship the risen King of Kings could get you tossed into the lion's den.
No one I have ever heard of bows down to the fish symbol and worships that symbol as if it were God, if for no other reason than that particular fish denotes a human group, and therefore wholly unworthy of worship.
Let's not get bogged down in legalism. Christ assures us that he who is ashamed of Him, so shall Christ be ashamed of him before the Father.
So I say tack on those fish, the new world apostasy is upon us and soon enough my brothers we will have our turn in the lion's den.
Seriously? Is that honestly your interpretation of what the Fish represents? Speaking to whomever was the Anonymous person that posted this question - 'Jesus is a fish?' - What a stupid question.
Christian Fish
by Armand - 3/10/11 5:38 PM
Hold a fish when you pray, give a fish away. The fish is a fine symbol of Christian community...a beautiful reminder of our Lord and his people.
While I may understand what the symbol of the fish means on the back of christians' cars,I still don't get why people are using it. In most cases,it is not just a sticker of the fish,per se,but images,GRAVEN IMAGES. Is it not wrong to make an image;whether it be a doll,a bull,a statue or a fish? And then to take that image that God prohibits and ascribe it to God I think is the ultimate insult. I really don't think that I am being too dogmatic. I have been enticed to put one of those fishes on the back of my car, but something deep inside says 'No,no,no!'-a saint.
I understand about your guilt concern, however if we understood about the symbol and why we are using it and the origin of why we come to use it then you would understand that theres no need to feel guilty...guilt would only come if in your heart you are really worshiping the image fish itself and not the real God. You can read about how we came to use this symbol at my other comment
Hey fundamentalists there!
Do you not WORSHIP money? Whose figure is marked on the dirty face of MONEY or a Coin? Do you carry them in your pockets or wallets? If not to keep or carry graven images, why you fools do that, and pointing fingers at catholics all the time?! Look first your own faces in the mirror and pass comments against the Universal Church of Christ! Were Lutherans,Baptists,El-sadais,Pentecostal,Jehovah Witnesses churches there during 1st century?If not who are you to boast like you are above the Universal Church (Catholic).You are the pieces broken out from the Catholic Faith only. So learn to honor your forefathers o.k.? If you do not know yourselves, how can you know others? Images kept by catholics are only the means to communicate the Truth that's all!We don't ever worship the images in place of God, Christ...Do you understand now?! Can you throw your money out in the river and live without that graven money with you? For Christ has said, give what Caesar owns to Caesar,and God's to... more...
symbols were used as a form of communication, I dont see nothing wrong with it as long as you are not worshiping these symbols of putting them 1st before god check out this chapter>>Deuteronomy 4:15-18 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below.
"Therefore watch yourselves very carefully. Since you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth. And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the Lord your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.
You are right in your assment of graven images. But look at the context. It is talking about making an image to depict God for worship which is a correption of God. I know of no christian who uses the fish symbol in this way i.e. worship! The symbol is used to depiect them as a follower of Christ Jesus. It is a symbol of who thay are. Not God!
Hey, there! I wanted to drop you a line, and the only way I could figure out to do so was via a comment on one of your articles. I apologize in advance for not having read the whole article. I really appreciated your position as stated on your home page, though, and wanted to encourage you in your study and sharing. I am a (fairly new) student of the End Times as well and thought you might appreciate the resources provided through the International House of Prayer, a missions base in Kansas City, MO. I am currently studying their material and have found their notes to be very interesting and helpful. I look forward to checking out more of your website, and pray the eyes of your heart be enlightened to see the hope of His calling, the glory of His inheritance, and the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe (Eph 1:17-19). :)
Early church used symbolic languages to communicate to each other and symbols were very important in speaking the secret things to other beleivers. the symbol of fish is not an image so do not misunderstand, those people who understand the symbolic language will identify with the signs and symbols. there could be other meaning to the symbol but the meaning that was established by the early church is the one we must understand. true that we shine our lights by character but also understand that we must come to understand the symbols and types that God's message is hidden in.
A symbol that reminds people of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit is only spreading the good news of Jesus being our savior and how we need to remember to pray and have faith. Symbols are a form of communication that are helpful when trying to spread the holy word. A fish that represent the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit is only communicating to people the good news. Im going to keep symbols that represent my faith but im not going to worship the sybols. I will only worship the trinity.
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question
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Ark of the Covenant
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Jesus is a fish?
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by Anonymous - 7/04/11 6:13 AMChristian Fish
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The Fish
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worshiping the images (fish?)
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I gotta agree with you for the most part, nicely put.
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