Lucifer Has Fallen

Lucifer is commonly associated with the prince of darkness; the adversary, the serpent, the Devil, a.k.a. Satan. Only in the last few decades has this association been challenged. The secular world and even many Christians will contend that Lucifer is a misnomer and a poor translation of scripture [1]. After much study I have come to realize that there isn't conclusive Biblical evidence either way. Still I tend to side with many centuries of tradition, but there are convincing arguments otherwise [2]. This is such a heated and endless debate because both sides are right. The name Lucifer applies to both Satan and the fallen kings of the earth, through the common bond of idolatry.

It wasn't until the fourth century A.D. that this name was even used in the Bible. It was first introduced by Saint Jerome in his Latin Vulgate and later preserved by the dedicated scholars and linguists that produced the King James Version. The interesting part is that Lucifer appeared in St. Jerome's translation several times [3] but now occurs in the Holy Sciptures only once. And even then, very few of the modern translations have maintained this choice of wording. Before I continue, let's take a look at where this unholy name appears in the KJV:

Isaiah 14:12-16
  1. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
  2. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
  3. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
  4. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
  5. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

This is a very powerful progression of verses. A picture begins to emerge which is used repeatedly throughout God's Word; that of a man so full of self-idolizing power that he becomes consumed with the desire to become like the most High and ascend into heaven to exalt his throne above the stars of God. This man is blinded by his own light, his vision clouded by an unsatiable hunger for power. Although he can't see it, it is made crystal clear where he is headed. Does that remind you of anyone? That's right, the Antichrist. Remember, Satan controls the spirit of antichrist and will take an earthly host to complete his dirty work (think Judas, John 13:27). But more about that a little later...

Back to the name itself. Why did St. Jerome choose Lucifer, why didn't he just use the name Satan if that's what he meant? Like all of scripture, there is purpose. Let's look to the original texts. In the original Hebrew the reference is to Heylel ben Shachar. The first Hebrew word Heylel means morning star, literally the planet Venus; from the root word halal meaning to shine or give light, also quite appropriately, to boast [4]. The second word, ben, means son (of). Shachar translates generally to morning, or properly to dawn [5] (as used in the RSV,NAS,NIV & YLT). During the fourth century when Jerome was translating from the Greek of the Septuagint to the Latin of the Vulgate, the planet Venus was called Lucifer. It was called the same in Roman Astrology [6]. So we see that Jerome made a logical choice of wording in this particular passage and timeframe.

That explains his logic, but why did the KJV scholars preserve the name in Isaiah 14:12 and not in the other verses where Jerome originally included it? I contend that it was preserved to bring light to the nature of Satan and Antichrist, and preserved alone to avoid confusion with the other passages. After all, Isaiah is primarily a prophetic book and not historical in nature. Let's back up a few verses to see why many say that Lucifer refers only to a man:

Isaiah 14:4-6
  1. That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
  2. The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
  3. He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

It is plain to see that these words are directed to the king of Babylon, which at the time was Nebuchadnezzar II. It says right there, plain as day, this verse was directed toward a man, not Satan. This must be corrected at once! (I speak as a publisher.) The correct translation of Heylel should be Morning Star or better yet, Day Star. But wait, isn't Jesus also called the Morning Star and Day Star? He sure is.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

In an effort to create a "more accurate" translation (or make a grab for a few more dollars) recent scholars have only caused confusion. I guess they forgot about 1 Corinthians 14:33. Calling the king of Babylon the Morning Star is describing the grace in which he has fallen from. By inferring that this is also a reference to Satan, Isaiah demonstrates the future rise and fall of the Antichrist who comes as the false messiah and bearer of light (2 Corinthians 11:14). I repeat, the reference to the Morning Star in Isaiah 14 demonstrates the state of grace in which Nebuchadnezzar had fallen from and also alludes to the mentality and eventual downfall of Satan indwelling the false Christ; a wolf in sheep's clothing (Matthew 7:15). Let's see just how much favor Nebuchadnezzar was given prior to his fall:

Jeremiah 27:8-11
  1. And it shall come to pass, that the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, that nation will I punish, saith the LORD, with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand.
  2. Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon:
  3. For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land; and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish.
  4. But the nations that bring their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, and serve him, those will I let remain still in their own land, saith the LORD; and they shall till it, and dwell therein.

That was some serious power and blessing bestowed upon Nebuchadnezzar. What did he do to deserve such preference from God? Probably not much, he was just a strong military vessel to serve God's purpose by conquering many lands that had not heeded His many warnings (Jeremiah 25:4). Now the United States has a very strong military and it is of popular opinion that as a nation we are a modern day Babylon (yes, I'm American). Along with that view is the threat of utter destruction to our homeland as prophecized in Revelation 14:8. This may be true in some aspects. We fit the bill as a modern day Babylon in regards to idolatry, confusion, and trade but there are better and more traditionally held views regarding the identity of Babylon the harlot and the city as mentioned in Revelation [7]. The view that the whore of Babylon is the Roman Catholic Church has long been held by great defenders of the faith such as Martin Luther and John Calvin [8] as well as modern day evangelists such as Jack Chick [9]. The U.S. or New York City as Babylon is a very modern view. The view is convincing at first glance but doesn't stand up to close scrutiny. Don't forget all that the American people have done to spread the Gospel and how many faithful Christians still abide here. Remember, no prophesy is of private interpretation.

2 Peter 1:18-21
  1. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
  2. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
  3. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
  4. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Even if this new view on America as Babylon was right there would still be the question of timing. Are we now at the begining of Nebuchadnezzar's reign or at the end? It really makes all the differece. In my opinion we have nothing more to worry about than the rest of the world, but could I be wrong? Of course! I am a deprived and rebellious man just like the next. But even if I'm wrong there is still consolation for us Americans. Remember who threw Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah into the blazing furnace in the book of Daniel? None other than the king of Babylon himself, Nebuchadnezzar. And why? For not worshiping his image [10]! God's Son saved them from the fire (Daniel 3:25). This is identical to the beast persecuting the saints in the last days for not worshiping his image or receiving his mark. While we're in the book of Daniel let's take a look at Nebuchadnezzar's prophetic dream which only Daniel could interpret.

Daniel 2:31-45
  1. Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.
  2. This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
  3. His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
  4. Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
  5. Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
  6. This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
  7. Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
  8. And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.
  9. And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.
  10. And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
  11. And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
  12. And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
  13. And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
  14. And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
  15. Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

Nebuchadnezzar's dream has accurately depicted the successive worldy kingdoms throughout the ages [11]. The last of iron and clay is yet to come. It will be the Antichrist's kingdom. And the stone cut without hands will crush this final kingdom along with all those before it. But who or what is this stone cut without hands? None other than the Lord and Saviour Himself, Christ Jesus (Matthew 21:42, Ephesians 2:20). Amen and amen.

Okay, back to Jeremiah and the ancient kings of the earth. If we look back a couple verses to Jeremiah 27:3 we see that one of the kings Nebuchadnezzar defeated was the King of Tyrus. The king of Tyrus is mentioned in Ezekiel, another prophetic book, in a very similiar fashion as Nebuchadnezzar is in Isaiah 14. This is also a common chapter in which Satan (a.k.a. Lucifer) is equated into the mix.

Ezekiel 28:12-19
  1. Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
  2. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
  3. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
  4. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
  5. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
  6. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
  7. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
  8. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

There are several verses here that make it quite difficult to assign all that is said to a mere king [12], hence the association with Satan. The titles of anointed and covering cherub denote a closeness to God as does the description of the precious gems (stones of fire) and the holy mountain of God. In the end, like in Isaiah 14, this king is cast down because of his vain glory (i.e. brightness or splendor, the definitions of halal). The Phoenician city of Tyre was most famous for it's exclusive production and high trade in purple dye which was known as Tyrian purple and identified with wealth and royalty. The word Tyre (or Tzor in Hebrew) means "a rock" and possibly designates it's rocky landscape or even that it once existed as an island [13] (Isaiah 59:18). It's interesting that we see in Tyre the image of a rock (a false Christ) as well as the source of the same purple color that covers the great harlot in Revelation. Now let's see what an earlier king of Tyre was like:

1 Kings 16:30-33
  1. And Ahab the son of Omri did evil in the sight of the LORD above all that were before him.
  2. And it came to pass, as if it had been a light thing for him to walk in the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, that he took to wife Jezebel the daughter of Ethbaal king of the Zidonians, and went and served Baal, and worshipped him.
  3. And he reared up an altar for Baal in the house of Baal, which he had built in Samaria.
  4. And Ahab made a grove; and Ahab did more to provoke the LORD God of Israel to anger than all the kings of Israel that were before him.

It's no wonder why God would give the descendant of Ahab into the hands of Nebuchadnezzar. He was an idolater of the worst kind as was his wife Jezebel [14]. It's also no coincidence that Jezebel was the daughter of the king of Zidon, a city that would also later be conquered by Nebuchadnezzar (Jeremiah 27:3). Zidon means "fishery", depicting false "fishers of men"; condeming human souls through idolatry rather than setting them free through the truth that is in Christ. The names of Jezebel and her father Ethbaal testify to their allegience with the Babylonian/Canaanite storm and fertility god Baal, earlier called Bel, meaning "owner" or "Lord" (the true Lord being Jesus Christ). The name Jezebel also appears once in the New Testament in Revelation 2:20. It is used to warn the church at Thyatira against adultrey, fornication, and idolatrous practices. The terms fornication and adultery as used here have not only sexual implications but spiritual as well.

A derivative of Baal is Beelzebub which like Lucifer is another common name for Satan. Beelzebub means literally "lord of the flies" but it is suggested that this spelling is a derogatory play on the name Baal'zebul which means "Lord of the high places" or "exalted one"; much in the same way Hebrew scribes used "bosheth" (meaning shame [15]) to replace the prefix/suffix "baal" to denote its idolatrous roots. This theory makes perfect sense when compared to the kings of Isaiah and Ezekiel being self exalted. Incidentally, Baal was also known to the Ammonites as Molech, the Moabites as Chemosh, and the Edomites as Dushara. Baal's female counterpart is Ashtoreth, a.k.a. Astarte or Asherah. Astarte was identified with the Assyrian fertility goddess Ishtar (pronounced easter, this is where we get the pagan fertility symbols of the rabbit and the egg) who identified with the planet Venus (the bright and morning star). Astarte was also very similar to the Greek goddess of love and beauty, Aphrodite, who in turn was almost identical to the Roman Venus [16]. Venus was known for her many adulterous relationships against her spouse Vulcan, the god of metal-working (idol fabrication perhaps) and the hearth (Isaiah 54:16).

Standing between the earth and the sun is Venus and Mercury. Mercury is the Roman god of communication (including prophecy), trade, and science (all necessary components for the Mark of the Beast). Science says that Venus has an iron core (clay mixed with iron, the feet of Daniel's statue) and a surface gravity of 8.87 m/s2, one less than the number of Jesus. It also had water at one point (think living water) but is now bone dry. Like the spirtual world, the celestial has varying levels of glory (1 Corinthians 15:41). Venus may give some light at dawn but it is just a twinkling amongst darkness. It is utterly drown out by the true day star: the sun (Malachi 4:2, noted as the Son).

There is an undeniable relationship between the Antichrist, Satan, Lucifer, Baal, Astarte and Venus (both the planet and the goddess). The obvious connection is idolatry. Whether it be self-idolization, exaltation of the natural world, or worship of an unseeing, unhearing & uncaring piece of stone or wood, it is an absolute abomination to God and is a direct transgression of the first and second commandments. When the Antichrist comes to force the world into idolatry there will be no hope save for those who wear a breastplate of faith and love and a helmet of the hope of salvation (Ephesians 6:13); the full armor of God, which alone is the Lord Jesus Christ (1 John 4:15).

Psalms 148:1-14
  1. Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.
  2. Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.
  3. Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.
  4. Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
  5. Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.
  6. He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass.
  7. Praise the LORD from the earth, ye dragons, and all deeps:
  8. Fire, and hail; snow, and vapours; stormy wind fulfilling his word:
  9. Mountains, and all hills; fruitful trees, and all cedars:
  10. Beasts, and all cattle; creeping things, and flying fowl:
  11. Kings of the earth, and all people; princes, and all judges of the earth:
  12. Both young men, and maidens; old men, and children:
  13. Let them praise the name of the LORD: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.
  14. He also exalteth the horn of his people, the praise of all his saints; even of the children of Israel, a people near unto him. Praise ye the LORD.

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Verses referenced in this study:

  • 1 Kings 16:30-33
  • Psalms 148:1-14
  • Isaiah 14:4-6; 14:12-16; 54:16; 59:18
  • Jeremiah 25:4; 27:3; 27:8-11
  • Ezekiel 28:12-19
  • Daniel 2:31-45; 3:25
  • Malachi 4:2
  • Matthew 7:15; 21:42
  • John 13:27
  • 1 Corinthians 14:33; 15:41
  • 2 Corinthians 11:14
  • Ephesians 2:20; 6:13
  • 2 Peter 1:18-21
  • 1 John 4:15
  • Revelation 2:20; 14:8; 22:16

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34 Comments for Lucifer, Morning Star, Venus, Baal

Lucifer

by A.D.Booker - 6/13/08 11:20 AM
each time a new king was placed on the Babylonian throne, he took the hands of baal, that means baal would be the king and the new appointee would be the venus or ashtaroth. it was like a marriage taking place.

and by the way Lucifer was not in heaven when he sinned, he was on the earth, for he was created on day two of creation. and satan cant do nothing on the earth without Gods permission. he used the old testament law to accuse old testament saints to God. the accuses us, but we are not under the law now.

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Babylon.

by Johannes - 5/02/08 2:48 AM
the modern Babylon is Jerusalem, mother of all lies and mother of all wars. she controls all decisions of the leaders of the earth.it was here where God descended and confused the world. jesus came and said; i bring the sword, i bring fire, i have not come to bring peace but division/confusion.

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1984

by Anonymous - 6/25/03 2:09 AM
It's kinda funny that the devil is somehow equated with 1984 in Strong's Lexicon (link #4 above). That's also the title of the book about "Big Brother" by George Orwell you know. That all reminds me of the "mark of the beast" stuff anyway. It's good 'ol Georgie's birthday today too! ha ha

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RE: 1984

by Anonymous - 3/31/08 1:38 AM
the God of the old testament is not the allmighty God but Satan the god of this world like what st Paul once said. this world was given to Satan to live here till his end times when Jesus come again to destroy him once and for all. God didn't destroyed him in the first place because there was still our realm to be created and Satan had a part in that creation so we could decide ourselves whether to choose GOD the creator of the entire universe and realms or join the god of one particular plane whicg is EARTH

RE: 1984

by Johannes - 5/02/08 2:38 AM
the meaning of Lucifer is; light bringer or bearer of light. jesus told us he is the light, he told us he is the morning star, we have seen his fallen star with his birth and we preach that he has fallen to hell, therefore it is easy to see of whom the bible speaks. i say; Jesus is Lucifer the bringer of light, but we followed the body/Lucifer instead of the light.

good

by Anonymous - 9/02/05 8:33 AM
Interesting info

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RE: good

by Anonymous - 3/06/08 12:49 PM
this is quite interesting! one can always learn!

RE: good

by Anonymous - 3/31/08 1:29 AM
God( the father, the Son, and the Holy spirit) decided to have a kingdom. The Father is definitely the mightiest, and the future is definitely in his hands. The Father gave all powers to his Son to create their kingdom since they are in perfect harmony. On achieving this ,the powers will return to the Father as there will be no need of powers as all realms will be living in endless and inexperienced happiness with GOD justly in different mansions, without the least evil as evil will be destroyed once and for all. His Son knows that only perfect kingdom is possible for God to have. Since God was living in an infinite perfect harmony in every sense, he only wanted this kingdom for other realms to have the pleasure of living with ineffable joy and with an unimaginable mighty God in every sense for eternity. On their own, his Son knew that evil doesn’t exist, but on creating other realms, Evil must be created since whatever is created is an image of God ,and God is infinite in both good and evil within himself and is perfect and just and only wanted a free will realms in his kingdom. His Son then, had to create Evil so he can destroy Evil forever. First he created the imperishable and invisible realms so he can eliminate Evil from these realms. He created Lucifer and he showed his ability by creating the best creature ever in fact he was second in power to him.
It has to be, otherwise how on earth Lucifer felt that he is capable of overpowering God. So Lucifer went astray and asked the Father that he want to be like the most high but in EVIL. The Father accepted and didn’t destroy him instantly for three reasons. One he wanted to show the other realms that he is not in a way afraid of Lucifer’s intentions, second if any of them were ready to go and join Lucifer can do so, but they must be aware that they become perishable. The third is that the father had our realm in his mind and he knew since he is the future that eventually Lucifer has a part in it. The Father pass all information regarding future to his Son.
Lucifer and a third of the angles became totally EVIL. They were never to become good again it was not possible because they were condemned. Lucifer became totally EVIL within his realm became almost like the most high like he wished but limited within our world EARTH ( St. Paul once called him God of the Earth .)The Father from the other hand became totally good, pure. His son remained in his realm good and Evil, and nothing goes to the father except through his Son. The Father cannot resist, withstand Evil so he destroys Evil instantly as he is hurt. Proof Jesus full of all human sins was abandoned on the cross simply because his Father couldn’t even look at him never mind saying this is my beloved son.
In that instant the Father transferred all his Evil powers to Lucifer and acquired back from LUCIFER his goodness power, Lucifer was thrown to the Earth like lightning, and no war was needed than as Lucifer realized that with only one third from other realms, he wasn’t strong enough to over throw God . Lucifer became SATAN THE WRATH OF GOD
Satan remained on earth experimenting with the creation of dinosaurs and God knows what, till he felt that he was ready for his plan.
God from the other hand waited for Satan to do his work, as he knew that he(God) was capable of achieving his kingdom through Satan’s plan and like that there will not be any interference from Satan.
MY 1st.QUESTION Why God felt that to create man he required DUST from FILTHY EVIL EARTH. When he is capable of creating from nothing, not like Satan able to create only from something else, and also expect that man will remain loyal to him and not subject to Satan’s plan???????????????????
2nd.did Satan created ADAM or properly did God created ADAM through Satan’s plan ????????????

May our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

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Holy Spirit in flesh

by Anonymous - 10/02/07 3:15 AM
Lucifer you are almost there you soon will be free my friend hold on the luciferic initiation will be complete...olam ba ha ha

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RE: Holy Spirit in flesh

by Anonymous - 2/07/08 2:12 AM
your a cool kid. you understand.

A MESSAGE

by Anonymous - 3/28/05 12:27 PM
THIS IS NO JOKE WHAT SO EVER
I WAS SAVED AND BAPTIZED
BUT I AM A PROPHET
PLEASE PRAY FOR ME
PUT YOUR TRUST IN THE LORD AND IF YOU NOT SAVED ASK THE LORD IN TO YOUR LIFE AND NEVER GIVE UP HOPE IN HIM AND YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO BE PUT THRU WHAT IVE WENT THRU
IM BEING TORMENTED BY THE DEVIL HIMSELF I CAN HEAR HIS VOICE RIGHT NOW
PLEASE!! BELIEVE WHAT IM SAYING
I SOUND LIKE IM CRAZY
THE REASON IM BEING TORMENTED BY THE DEVIL IS BECAUSE I AM A PROPHET SEND TO TELL THE WORLD GOD IS REAL AND THE BIBLE TRUTH
YOU ARE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS
GOD LOVES US ALL THE SAME
SO STAY STRONG IN THE WAYS THAT JESUS AND HIS APOSTLES TAUGHT US
AND KEEP YOUR THRUST IN THE LORD
I LOVE YOU ALL
PLEASE PRAY FOR ME
THANKS

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RE: A MESSAGE

by jimbodayy@yahoo.com - 2/07/08 2:09 AM
since u r a prophet y dont u tell me what you see, text me on my cell phone ill give u the number seriously. and tell me my name too.

GREAT SITE

by Anonymous - 8/07/03 4:33 AM
I LOVE this site thus far THANK YOU!

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RE: GREAT SITE

by Anonymous - 1/03/08 8:58 AM
This study helped me so much to understand Isa. 14:12. Thank you so much! I couldn't reply directly (on an old webtv) but it's working on replying to a reply lol. Hope you see my appreciation. If not here, then see ya when we're with the Lord, and we are as He is. Blessings In Jesus

satan is your enemy

by Anonymous - 10/27/06 9:24 AM
follow the light..

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RE: satan is your enemy

by Anonymous - 2/08/07 9:25 AM
All men are to find their own path.......good or evil.

RE: satan is your enemy

by Anonymous - 4/19/07 5:50 AM
when the His Kingdom come Satan would gone forever

RE: satan is your enemy

by Anonymous - 9/24/07 11:05 AM
satan ism a loser

RE: satan is your enemy

by Anonymous - 11/09/07 12:18 PM
santa is your enemy, christ is your enemy, that beast that was slayn yet liveth is your enemy, he who creates an image of the slayen beast upon the cross and utters blasphemies is your enemy, he who mascarades as an angel of light is your enemy, that wolf mascarading as a lamb is your enemy

RE: satan is your enemy

by Anonymous - 11/19/07 3:56 AM
-believe in that and it's comes true
-if you help on yourself and God will help you

Comment on Lucifer - With

by Anonymous - 8/31/07 5:24 AM
He made one mistake and has paid for it for an eternity. Please release him of his bonds. Not fair that he should remained punished with such a false bad rap. Forgiveness is requested on his part. Please.

Sincerely, Marianne

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Lucifer

by Anonymous - 5/07/07 3:09 AM
Please go to heaven now.

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Please go to heaven now

by Anonymous - 4/15/07 12:53 PM
Please Lucifer go to heaven now

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lucifer

by Anonymous - 2/28/07 4:52 AM
does not exist, a bit like god

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truth or "TRUTH"

by Anonymous - 6/04/06 9:00 AM
I am not a religious person. I am a skeptic and a historian. The article above rests highly on the words in the bible however do we know if they are true?
The Roman Catholic Church is but one side of history thus the bible is bias conditioning people to believe in what they believe allowing no room for personal judgement. We have not always been monotheistic society. Does no one else find it amazing that, during the fall of Rome, suddenly a single saviour is found? Or find it strange that the bible contains only white catholic males, when 'God' loves everyone equally? The bible is just one side to a historical era blown out of proportion. Even using the excuse used in the DaVinci Code, that Jesus was a prophet can be argued. If Jesus was a prophet then how do we know that prophets do not exist anymore?
Why are those claiming to be prophets mocked and ridiculed by the Vatican, when their blessed bible is based on the words of supposed prophets.
Religion is nothing but power play, with the Vatican using the same techniques used by the pharoahs, chiefs, kings and caesers throughout the ages, when every society was polythiestic, including the Romans.
The hypocrisy is astounding. Read the documents opposing the bible from the same historical era as the bible. Only then can you form an opinion, with evidence from both parties.

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RE: truth or

by Anonymous - 9/06/06 9:50 AM
i love u

RE: truth or

by Anonymous - 9/16/06 10:13 AM
I find it interesting that you claim to be a historian but concede that the "bible contains only white catholic males." Anyone who knows anything about Biblical history would know that the figures and characters in the Bible are far from "white" and are definitely not Catholics (being that Catholism didn't arise until well after the last books of the Bible were written.)

Rolling the Bible, Catholism, and the Vatican into one is utter folly. One is God's inspired word while the other two are man's corruption of that word. But if you want to point out that the Catholic Church has their own version of the Bible, then we can start talking.

Lastly, the Bible's authenticity and preservation throughout hundreds and even thousands of years is unparalleled. Comparing it to some questionable skeptic that had no first hand experience and happened to write around the same time is pointless.

Your skepticism and doubt is yours to keep but please come with the facts when you want to pass judgement.

RE: truth or

by Anonymous - 11/05/06 1:06 AM
[i]"Lastly, the Bible's authenticity and preservation throughout hundreds and even thousands of years is unparalleled. Comparing it to some questionable skeptic that had no first hand experience and happened to write around the same time is pointless."[/i]

The Bible's authenticity is very much in question by theologians and textual critics. There have been many changes made to the bible over the centuries. I would refer you to Bart Ehrman's books, particularly, "Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why". While the Bible, Catholicism, and the Vatican are not interchangeable, the latter have had much to do with the shaping of the Bible as we know it today, including the King James version. Unfortunately, where religion is concerned, facts often tend to be relative based upon which faith one is speaking from.

venus and babylon

by Anonymous - 11/05/04 5:34 AM
Is it not significant that on June 8th 2004, the UN recognised the new Iraq (Babylon) and a rare transit of Venus occured - on the same day! The particular series of transits goes back to around 912 B.C when the Lord 'married' Israel.

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RE: venus and babylon

by Anonymous - 1/28/06 9:45 AM
Nah, not significant at all...heh hehhh


eden

question

by Anonymous - 3/14/05 6:03 AM
when god our lord kicked lucifer out of heaven n he fell in the spacific spot on EARTH, like y EARTH, y here , in that spacific spot did god intended to put him there?

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question

by Anonymous - 3/14/05 5:58 AM
if god is apart of everything n every one then y could lucifer enter the body n mind of that person, n god is all good rite so y would there be apart of evil that could enter in a person as in the image of god

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An Alleged Star Ashtoreth

by Anonymous - 1/12/05 4:33 AM
This Article is one of the most accurate info that I have seen about King Nebuchadnezzar and Ashtoreth,,...
but you left out King Solomon...

I also have a webpage about ashtoreth and King Nebuchadnezzar... and it also has some info how King Solomon ties in with all this:

Come check it out sometime
http://www.AnAllegedStar.com

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serpent

by Anonymous - 11/25/03 3:19 AM
THE SERPENT


WHILE LISTENING TO A RECENT INTERVIEW ON A RADIO BROADCAST. THE TWO PERSONS AGREEDED THAT NEITHER KNEW WHY GOD WOULD USE A SERPENT AS A SIMILITUDE FOR JESUS. THE SERPENT THEY WERE REFERING TO WAS THE BRASS SERPENT THAT MOSES PLACED UPON A POLE.

JESUS ALSO CLEARLY REFERS TO THIS AS A SIMILITUDE BETWEEN THE HIMSELF AND THE BRASS SERPENT.

JOHN 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

I HOLD THAT THE WORD OF GOD IS AN ABSOLUTE TRUTH. IT IS SOMETHING THAT EXISTS. WITH PURPOSE. TOTALY DEFINABLE, WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE ABILITY OF HUMAN UNDERSTANDING. TRUTH IS ALSO DOUBLED WHEN ESTABLISHED BY GOD.

ONE TRUTH STATED IN JOHN 3:14 IS WHEN JESUS IS LIFTED UP. HE IS AS A SERPENT.

MOSES' ROD WHEN IT WAS CAST DOWN, ALSO BECAME A SERPENT. THE DAY JESUS WAS LIFTED UP, UPON A CROSS. HE WAS ALSO CAST DOWN. AS JESUS IS LIKENED UNTO THE ROD, SO THIS ALSO BECOMES A SERPENT.

MATTHEW 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

HERE IN MATTHEW 25:41 JESUS IS TALKING TO THE ANGELS.

REVELATION 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

HERE IS THE FIRE AND THE BRIMSTONE, THE ANGELS ARE HOLY, AND THE DEVIL IS CALLED THE LAMB.

JEREMIAH 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord;

ISAIAH 30:33 For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.

REVELATION 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

JESUS ALLOWED HIMSELF TO BE TAKEN AND AFFLICTED. JESUS HAD THE SINS OF THE WORLD UPON HIMSELF, GREAT WRATH WAS PART OF THOSE SINS. AND JESUS KNEW HE HAD BUT A SHORT TIME. FOR DEATH LAY BEFORE HIM.


REVELATION 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


I THINK IT IS ACCEPTED THAT THE WOMAN IS ISRAEL OR THE JEWISH NATION. JESUS CAST LIVING WATER OUT UNTO THE JEWISH NATION. BUT HIS FACE THEY CAN'T SEE. NOT YET. THEY HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT. WHICH THEY BEAR WITNESS OF. THEY KEPT THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD BY FULFILLING THEIR PART OF SCRIPTURE.

JOB 39:6 Whose house I have made the wilderness, and the barren land his dwellings.

THE WILDERNESS, WHERE JESUS WAS CARRIED IN THE SRIRIT TO. FOR THE TEMPTATION WAS THE DAY OF THE CROSS. THE WILDERNESS IS THE HOUSE OF GOD. JESUS CHRIST BY NAME. WHEN JESUS TOLD THE JEWISH NATION. BEHOLD YOUR HOUSE IS LEFT UNTO YOU DESOLATE. HE IS THEIR HOUSE. HE STILL IS DESOLATE TO THE JEWISH NATION.

MATTHEW 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

TO PARAPHRASE THIS CONVERSATION.

GOD SPEAKING TO JESUS: "IF YOUR THE SON OF GOD. FULFILL THE SCRIPTURES. THAT YOU AS THE WORD OF GOD BECOME THE BREAD OF LIFE.

JESUS ANSWERS: I ALONE AS BREAD CANNOT FULFILL SCRIPTURE. EVERY WORD MUST BE FULFILLED. OTHERS MUST ALSO FULFILL THEIR PART. JUDAS HAS A PART, THE RULERS, ETC.

GOD SPEAKING, THE HIGH PINNICLE IS THE POSITION OF POWER JESUS HAS OVER THE WORLD. ALSO IT IS LIKENED TO THE MOUNT OF OLIVES: YOU MUST CAST YOURSELF DOWN FROM BEING THE SON OF GOD IN RESPECT TO ALLOWING THE ANGELS. OR THE BAND OF MEN COMING TO TAKE YOU. AND THE RULERS AND PRIESTS TO AFFLICT YOU AS A MAN. AND TO BEAR YOU UP IN THEIR HANDS. UPON A CROSS.

JESUS SPEAKING: I WILL DO IT. I WILL NOT TEMPT YOU BY NOT GOING THRU WITH IT.

GOD SPEAKING: EVERYTHING WILL BE YOURS IF YOU FALL DOWN, WORSHIPING ME BY TRUSTING. ALLOWING YOURSELF TO DIE ON THE CROSS. IF YOU ARE WILLING TO GO THRU WITH ALL THIS. I MUST THIS DAY DEPART FROM YOU. AS THE SINS OF THE WORLD WILL COME UPON YOU. AS SCRIPTURE SAYS I CANNOT LOOK UPON INIQUITY. YOU WILL BE GOD THIS DAY. AS A THOUSAND YEAR REIGN. ALSO AS A THOUSAND YEARS BEING BOUND BY A CHAIN. A CHAIN OF EVENTS WHICH MUST BE FULFILLED TO THE LETTER. WHEN YOU CALL UPON ME I WILL ANSWER YOU. WITH SILENCE. YOU WILL REIGN THIS DAY, AS THOSE ALSO WILL REIGN AS YOU ARE IN THEIR HANDS.

JESUS SPEAKING: GET THEE HENCE. GO AWAY FROM ME SO THAT YOU DON'T LOOK UPON INIQUITY. THY WILL BE DONE.

HABAKKUK 1:13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?


ZECHARIAH 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.


THE MOUNT CLEAVES. THE HOLY MOUNT= GOD AND JESUS. GOD TURNS HIS BACK AND LEAVES JESUS WITH THE WORLD. JESUS PUTS HIMSELF IN THE ANGELS' ( JEWS ) HANDS. GOD AND JESUS CLEAVE TO THE EAST AND WEST. GOD TO THE NORTH (HEAVEN). JESUS TO THE SOUTH (HELL).


1 PETER 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

I DON'T THINK I NEED TO EXPLAIN THE LION SIMILITUDE OF JESUS. BUT THE ROARING AND DEVOURING.

ISAIAH 42:13 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

42:14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.


JOHN 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


JESUS CLEARLY STATED ONE FATHER EXISTS. JESUS DIDN'T MAKE TWO FATHERS BY STATING THEIR FATHER WAS THE DEVIL. THE WORDS ARE AN ABSOLUTE. BOTH NAMES APPLY TO GOD.

MATTHEW 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

PSALM 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

THE BEGINNING STARTED AT JESUS'S DEATH.

ISAIAH 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

JESUS DECLARED THE END.

JOHN 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

GOD HAS JUST OFFERED HIS SON FOR A SACRAFICE. BY LAW A MURDERER (FROM THE BEGINING). NO TRUTH IN HIM. BECAUSE ALL MUST BE FULFILLED BEFORE THE WORD BECOMES TRUTH. NO JOT OR TITLE MAY PASS FROM THE LAW UNTIL ALL IS FULFILLED.

FATHER OF LIES. IF GOD WERE CALLED THE FATHER OF PROMISES, THERE WOULD BE LITTLE ARGUMENT. A PROMISE, PROPHECY, COVENANT, ETC. IS A LIE UNTIL IT IS FULFILLED.

JESUS SAID ANYTHING MORE THEN YEA YEA, NAY NAY COMETH OF EVIL. THIS IS WHY. IT NOT YET BEING FULFILLED CAN'T BE CLASSIFIED AS THE TRUTH. BUT GOD CLASSIFIES IT AS A LIE..

AT THIS POINT IN TIME, HE IS NOT ABIDING IN TRUTH.

ISAIAH 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

ISAIAH 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. ISAIAH 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

UNDER FALSEHOOD HAVE WE HID OURSELVES. YES, UNDER THE BIGGEST PROMISE OR LIE (BEFORE BEING FULFILLED) A SAVIOUR, CHRIST JESUS. BECAUSE HE WAS BELIEVED UPON. GOD SET THAT FOUNDATION IN ZION. NOW THE HAIL SWEEPS AWAY THE REFUGE OF LIES. YES, BECAUSE THE HAIL FULFILLS GOD'S TRUTH. CHANGING A REFUGE OF LIES, INTO A REFUGE OF TRUTH.

PSALMS 18:12 At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire.

PSALMS 18:13 The Lord also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire.

MATTHEW 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

HAIL, TO THE STONES (THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW HIM) AND THOSE THAT DO. (COALS OF FIRE)

THE KORAN OR QURAN SAYS THOSE THAT PREACH THAT ALLAH WOULD BEGET A SON, PREACH A MONSTROUS FALSEHOOD. FALSEHOOD YES, MONSTROUS YES. A LIE OF GIGANTIC PREPORTION. IN THE KORAN, THEY ALSO SEE A MONSTER COMING OUT OF THE EARTH. MARY THOUGHT HE WAS THE GARDNER.

JESUS SAIS IF THE DISCIPLES HELD THEIR PEACH, THE STONES WOULD CRY OUT. THE DAY OF THE CROSS, THE DISCIPLES DID HOLD THEIR PEACE. AND THE STONES CRIED OUT "CRUCIFY HIM".

2SAMUEL 22:7 In my distress I called upon the Lord, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears.

2SAMUEL 22:8 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth.

2SAMUEL 22:9 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.

2SAMUEL 22:13 Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled.

NOTICE THE SIMULARITY IN PSALM 18:12 BRIGHTNESS BEFORE HIM.

JOHN 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

NOW JESUS IGNITES THE HOLY SPIRIT IN PEOPLE, AND THEY BECOME AS COALS OF FIRE.

JOB 41:19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.

JOB 41:20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.

JOB 41:21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.


THESE VERSES IN JOB, ALSO REFER TO THE SAME THING. JESUS GIVING THE HOLY SPIRIT. HERE HE IS REFERED TO AS LEVIATHAN. OR ALSO KNOWN AS THE CROOKED SERPENT.

ISAIAH 27:1 In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

YES JESUS WAS PUNISHED THAT DAY, BY GOD'S WORD. THE GATHERING OF WATER (PEOPLE) WAS CALLED SEAS.

THIS CAN GO ON AND ON. GOD ISN'T SO FAR AWAY THAT WE CAN'T ASK HIM TO SHOW US THE TRUTH.

THE SHEEP AND THE GOATS WERE SEPERATED THE DAY OF THE CROSS. BUT THE GATHERING TOGETHER WAS AFTER THAT. ALL ARE GATHERED INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST, SO HE DIES FOR ALL. ALL NOW SAVED BY GRACE, NONE BY WORKS OR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

MARK 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.


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